Time Machine Project

[timekeeper]

Ok Frankie....
How about part of the information? Here is a letter that was sent to Harvey. I hope you and everyone else will enjoy reading it. (If you don't know who Martin A. Sklar is...google the name.) I would like to thank Mr. Sklar again for his support of fair business practices and the arts. As far as more information, I have decided to wait until some time after June to share it all. Sorry!

[alan1950]

Harvey should complete the models commissioned. I have never said anything to contradict that.

Mr. Sklar says that he knows nothing of the issues, yet seems ready to take sides despite his stated ignorance. So one of you called him and convinced him that his and the good name of Disney was being abused because Harvey failed to deliver on some products. Sklar even threatened to sick the legal mice on poor Harvey if he does not heed the will of Sklar and the big Mickey. Yeah right!

Too bad that Sklar and his band of mice have no legal basis for his silly demand, as you cannot retract a recommendation unless coerced or obtained by fraud. Neither of which is true.

However, Disney may have just hooked themselves for business slander, now that is actionable even in Mickeytown.

Okay let the flames begin!!!!

[timekeeper]

Alan1950, You are assuming someome called him??? This site is on the WWW. You know not of what you speak.
And yes Harvey is abusing the good name of Disney. Harvey removed the date of the referance letter. To Maybe (?) give the impressinon it is a current refferance statement, to new "clients" about himself. He sent that referance to me! To let me know how reliable he is. What a joke!
Mr. S. never said he was retracting anything... He told Harvey to stop using the altered document and make good on the work he promissed to do. Not wanting to be associated with someone who would stoop to such behavior.

Business Slander... Don't make me laugh!! Your'e the one in never never land! Everything about Harvey's business practicees are at fault. Harvey has damaged his own reputation by his actions. You tell me one honest business that takes money for a product and then says, "it's almost ready" even 10 years later, "I'm going to get you your model, be patient" all the while just waiting for you to go away. Or Die.
You forget Alan1950, I saw his "work shop" oh yes ,studio, There was not a line of works in progress going on... After a year of work, for me, I saw what was 10 minutes of work on a table. And only ONE! not several. It was quite clear this was not a shop with projects in the making, by a craftsman. But someone's tinkering spot!
Until you have walked in our shoes. Maybe you should not be so judgmental on what we know are facts. All Harvey has to do to is honor his "business contracts" If he had, we would all be praising his works and comparing the little differances in each of our pieces. Convinced each of us had the best one.
Alan1950, I have always given Harvey credit for the skill and talent he ONCE had I admired it very much. I believe he can no longer build them.
But he continue's to promise models to people and takes large amounts of money and I believe he has no intention of ever delivering anything. Because he can't. I can prove everything I have said so I have no fear of "FLAMES" from anyone. The lawyer in you may provolk your statements, I understand that. I am not, just a consumer that has been riped off and fighting back. I wonder what you would say if I walked into your office with all my facts and asked you to get justice for me. Would you tell me "now just wait, for ever, if needed, give the man a chance". I think not. Try to understand where we are.

[timemachinewells]

Note to all:

I stopped posting on the message board last January simply because I got tired of people not telling the difference between facts and innuendo.

Fact: Yes, Harvey is very late on deliveries. Yes, two of his orders have been outstanding for way too long: One of them 12 years (!!!) and another 9 years. I know PERSONALLY the two people waiting the longest and have discussed the matter with them. Not hearsay, but direct information. Of course, yes, they are unhappy with the long wait, but they have chosen to wait and see. They are both aware of this forum.

So far, I have been able to find only TWO other outstanding orders. They are the ones from TymerC and from "Ed & Lynda". I have never been in touch with Ed & Lynda; if that is "Time Daughter", that would make it four. If "Timekeeper" is yet another person, please contact me with your real identity so I can confirm you really do have an outstanding order with Harvey. There is also a Tantalus to be delivered to Frankie.

Fact: Harvey HAS delivered three models over that same period of time. One was to Chris Perotta, another was to Frankie and a third was to a UK collector whom I have personally known for the past six years. Frankie requested delivery of his model before it was completed, that was his choice: Harvey has an outstanding offer to complete it. The model originally acquired by Chris Perotta was bought by Alan via eBay. I have talked with Alan at length in this regard.

Fact: I have been in regular contact (on a weekly basis by phone and email) with Harvey for over a year now and he maintains that his outstanding orders will be filled. I have emphasized to him many times that delivering the models is certainly the simplest way of resolving the current controversy. He agrees.

I understand everyone for being frustrated and upset with Harvey. You certainly have a right to be. However, it does not give you the right to slander. Too much that is being said here is innuendo and hearsay.

Timekeeper:

The first question that begs an answer is: How did you obtain a copy of a private email sent to Harvey if you had no direct contact with Mr. Sklar ? It certainly appears you are the one that got in touch with him - either by phone or email or else you would not have what is clearly a private email.

Secondly, the letter itself is a letter of recommendation made in good faith and based on Mr. Sklar's evaluation of Harvey's work over a period of seven years. Do you question Mr. Sklar's judgment or ability in this regard ?

Your assumption that the letter has been altered in some way is pure speculation and unfounded. I have asked Harvey to show me a copy of it and asked him if any date appears on the original. He confirms that it has not and that there is no date. Furthermore, he has never made any claim that his work at Disney is recent. He told me a long time ago that he left Disney in 1984 and I have never heard him claim otherwise. If you have proof to the contrary, please show it now.

The letter is real, the letter is unaltered and Harvey has every right to include it in his portfolio. With all due respect to Mr. Sklar, he has no legal basis for making such a request - unless the letter HAD been altered, which it has not.

In closing, I'd like to point out once more that a lot of people here are posting defamatory comments under the guise of anonymity towards a person identified under his real name. That itself seems rather hypocritical. Some people even use multiple identities to make it appear as though more people are posting against Harvey then there really are. That is why it is difficult to take many of your comments seriously.

[TimeDaughter]

I would really like to know who is creating multiple accounts on here if what you claim is truth. How do you know this? I was under the assumption that each of us was a unique person. I think it would be surprising and highly unlikely to learn anyone on here is not indeed a separate and dedicated time machine enthusiast.

It is exciting to learn there is a client in the UK. I would enjoy seeing this model locally if that is something they are willing to do. Are they perhaps close at all to Edgware or Mill Hill or any of the areas around Middlesex? If not, perhaps they are located near Stoke On Trent up north a bit. That also is an area frequently visited with family. The model in the UK is no doubt older so does this collector still have it and would they be willing to share a view with a fellow enthusiats? I know the model owners and builders I have encountered are quite happy to show their collection. I eagerly await your reply.[/list]

[timemachinewells]

Time Daughter

I use to help monitor this board, so I am aware that things are not always what they appear. That is the convenience of using nicknames. Unfortunately, the advantages of anonymity are often abused.

What interests me are the facts. My comments are often misrepresented here as being in support of Harvey. They are not. I am trying to stick to the facts. The facts are that Harvey has got some outstanding orders, but he HAS delivered models to some clients.

What I am trying to do is to positively identify the real people who can demonstrate that they do have outstanding orders with Harvey Mayo. From the content of some posts, one is led to believe that he has dozens of unfilled orders, while in fact I could only identify five people (including Frankie's Tantalus order) who could show they do have outstanding orders.

If there are more, I would like to know their real names and the date of their order. But if people are going to post endlessly about rumours and hearsay, all we will have is unsubstantiated claims.

I will repeat that Harvey insists he will deliver the models on order and I keep in touch with him regarding this on a regular basis.

The client in the UK that I mentioned has chosen to remain anonymous and I must respect his choice.

[timekeeper]

timemachine wells

while I can apreciate you and every one wanting to know the facts about the issues discused here. Everyone has told there experience with Harvey or their thoughts of his actions. Am I to believe you have some ability to enforce action on the part of Harvey?
If so, what facts do you need? How can you enforce them or can you just try to influence him? Just wondering.
Who's facts, Harvey's or the one's waiting? how long would you say is a long enough wait?

[frankie]

First François,
I would like to challenge you on what you believe is not factual that people are posting here.
For Starters you do not believe Bob Burns.(enough said)
Secondly,
If you would like proof on anything I have said, please ask for documentation as I have it.
Firstly you speak of two deliveries of Nine and Twelve years that are still waiting.
Ok that’s Two.
Mr. Riggs is number three.(Ten Years)
You then say the two people you have spoken to have chosen to wait and see?
See what? After Twelve years? That is more that criminal. Could you provide names or like the other guy confidential?
Any joy or good feeling they would have gotten from Harvey is long gone.
That is why everyone is asking for there money back.
Ok
So we have three.
You then mention TymerC; He ordered Two models (Machine and Box)
So now we have Five.
You are quite right I ordered a Tantalus Box in 2003.
So now we have six.
Next we have Timekeeper.(model)
Now we have Seven.
There is also a movie producer from California whose name escapes me, paid deposit and nothing.
Now we have eight.
You say Harvey delivered Three in the same period of time?
Which period of Time?
Are you going back to the one you know of Twelve years ago?
So that would be Three in Twelve years?
Not very good would you not say?
Let’s look at Chris Perottas model.
It was ordered in October of 1997,
Well guess what Chris received it on the last day of July 1998.
And guess what it was incomplete (just like mine)
Chris decided to take it with him as he had been waiting a year for what Harvey said would be Four months.
For five years Chris had little communation with Harvey. But guess what Harvey told Chris to ship the model back and he would finish it(sound familiar) Well Chris did just that ,After NINE months of waiting and phone calls and emails Harvey finally ships it back(dark clouds rolling in) The Model was not secured in the box and WHAM! Smashed on Delivery. Go Figure,
So the Owner of the Model (Chris) goes to collect the insurance money he instructed Harvey to place on the Model.
Wham the walls cave in. Harvey reversed the insurance to make him the collector.
Chris is burned again.
So much for model one.
Model TWO
The one you claim is the UK Collector.
I saw pictures of that supposed model on another web site, Harvey claims he sent it to the UK client.
Funny thing about that model,
It does not look like Harvey’s work at all. And it was being built in the same time period as mine and Chris's.(Something fishy there)
So I believe that one comes off the board until someone offers proof.
So now we are down to Two in Twelve years against order of Seven that I can say with fact that I know of. Plus the two you speak of make it nine.
As far as talking with Alan?
Why?
Did he really get a Mayo model or a Perrotta one?
Only the pictures will tell? I remember he bought the Alan young Rod Taylor autographed poster on EBay for 150.00.He could have bought it from Alan Young for 50.00. I would have sold him mine for 125.00.
So I don’t know-how much info you can get from him.
You the say" does not give you the right to slander."
Again I challenge you to show that with proof?
You seem to provide so little.
You then say
"I'd like to point out once more that a lot of people here are posting defamatory comments under the guise of anonymity towards a person identified under his real name"
Again can you prove any of it?
I have been in contact will all the people posting here
I have seen emails, pictures, phone records and Law cases that back up what they say.
What do you bring to the Table?

[timekeeper]

Frankie,
Sounds like you coverd what should be part of Harvey's inventory list.
To bad you were not in charge, maybe Harvey and Francois would be able to keep things a little more in line.
I find it a real shame all these satisfied "clients" are anonymous. But than there could be family or such that could come forward and claim to be clients. So with out the "facts" it is hard to know.
Hard to argue with FACTS don't you think Francois?

[frankie]

You know Timekeeper, I keep presenting the facts and François keeps dancing around them, His comprehension must be at zero.
Next thing you know he will send you private emails the way he did Tymerc.
Go back a few pages and see where Tymerc asked him to stop. It was also back around January François told everyone Harvey would make good, as you can see, he LIED. He also had a plan for me to ship my model back to Harvey and put his best friend (Don) in the middle.
Send my model back???? Did you read what happen to Chris when he sent his back? Wham, Smashed on delivery and Harvey collects the insurance. With Harvey all the scenarios have been presented over and over. I get it Francouis, Ship my model back, Harvey then insures it to himself does not secure the model and collects another 5,000 dollars. Not on my nickel pal.

[timekeeper]

Frankie
It just amazes me, to what ends he will go to. How can some people think of these ways to get money in such dishonest manner. I guess it is true. Some people have no conscience.
Behavior of this kind will always come back in the most unexpected ways. And hurt you or the one's you love, and usually 10 fold too.

But we are wiser and stronger. There IS STRENGTH in numbers. For we are all sharing our information and proof.

[frankie]

Alan,
You say that “as you cannot retract a recommendation unless coerced or obtained by fraud’
I believe you are way off on that one.
All that is needed is Written or Oral proof of the recommendation being rescinded.
Then if the party continues to use the recommendation there are legal grounds to pursue. But you knew that.
As far as you other “Assumptions’ about contacts and phone calls you really should get the facts before you
Make those statements. No one had to call him and convince him of anything. Maybe he has been following the message boards
And contacted someone?
Guess you will have to think about that one.

[colemanzone]

Mary and I were out of town for a week and we're still catching up on things. I'll post photos of our adventure, we spent the time with a Boeing B-17.

I recieved an e-mail yesterday from another victim. $1400 so far and waiting 4 years. It's not my place to mention his name but I told him about the forum so he may post about it. I told him not to send any more money to Harvey.

[TimeDaughter]

The very popular (while older) song tells us "it never rains in...California" Well I do believe it is about to snow in North Hollywood. I highly encourage Harvey to complete his models that his victims (oh wait...you call them clients don't you Harvey?) are waiting for or return the money. Take the advice of your dear oh so wise solicitor and well versed northern friend. As we all know they are only a week from being finished anyway and if people will only be a little less demanding, they will have them next week-promise.
I for one will be putting on my mittens, wellies, jacket, and snow trousers. I think a BIG BLIZZARD is about to hit the West Coast. Brrrrrr!

[TimeDaughter]