Time Machine Project

frankie · Master Temporal Mechanic Joined: 09 Apr 2006 Posts: 96

Great stuff! Laughing

Remember to check for updates!

http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/ripoff244195.htm

TimeDaughter · Temporal Mechanic Joined: 13 Apr 2007 Posts: 42

Well done Frankie! Very Happy

I think the more people are aware of Harvey's business practices the better. I find it so sad to see how much money has been lost and heartache caused at the hands of one person.

Please Harvey, no more empty promises, lies and taking money...just stop! Crying or Very sad

TymerC · Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 7:20 pm Post subject:

TimeDaughter...your pleas unfortunately are directed to someone with no ethics , character or conscience. The best we can do is keep spreading the word so no one else becomes a victim. Thanks so much for the support!! Very Happy

TimeDaughter · Temporal Mechanic Joined: 13 Apr 2007 Posts: 42

Sadly, what you say Tymer C has been proven true time and time again. I am hoping though that some personal reflection may cause a new leaf to turn. I suppose I am a bit Pollyanna.

I am pleased though this unfortunate experience has resulted in my meeting a wonderful group of people with a similar interest. For that I am truly grateful. You are a fantastic group of people! I especially want to thank Don and Mary Coleman for having this site and forum for us all to come together on and share. It is great! Very Happy

alan1950 · Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 2:26 pm Post subject: Happy with my Mayo model

So sorry that some of you are having issues with Harvey. I am very happy with the Mayo model I purchased from Chris P and then had Vince Winskunas build a T. box for it.

As I read the threads, the complaints seem based on timing and not quality. I don't know what was promised, but a precision piece of art like the one I have is not like a mass-produced Lunar Model or such.

Also the one poster who took legal steps, accordingly actually received and accepted his model. So it is unclear why a judge would award full amounts unless, of course, only one side of the story was told.

That someone would go before a judge knowing that the opposing side is on the other coast, makes me wonder about the nasty diatribe offered in this thread.

TimeDaughter · Temporal Mechanic Joined: 13 Apr 2007 Posts: 42

Alan1950,
Many congratulations on your purchase from individuals other than Harvey. That is where you are fortunate. You did not deal with him yourself.

There are no verbal attacks being waged on Harvey that he did not incite himself. I suggest judgment be reserved until you have dealt with him personally. Had you ordered the model you have from him directly, you would be in the ranks with everyone else waiting, wondering and watching his bank account earn the interest from your money.

As to your comment about the unhappiness being a time issue rather than a product quality issue; how can one comment on the quality of a model that does not exist? I don't think anyone argues that the few models that Harvey built completely are well constructed. However, he has received money over the past, at least 10 years, to build models for clients and he has NEVER filled these orders. He continues to take new orders and payment upfront and yet fails to deliver any product.

Finally, legal action has only been taken against Harvey because he failed to fulfill his obligations for money received. If this meant that he would have to travel to answer for his wrong doing than so be it. I am sure it displeases Harvey greatly to go farther than his backyard to complain about not being able to take thousands of dollars and not deliver, but that is a reality of our legal system.

It is sad to see someone such as Harvey fall from such respect that many of us held for him based on his past achievements. The reality is this man takes thousands of dollars, promises a product and delivers nothing but countless excuses and grief.

Dearest Alan1950, I am happy you have your dream model and box. It is too bad the rest of the people who have paid for and waited years to receive theirs aren't as fortunate. Like I mentioned earlier, you were lucky and dealt with reputable and honest people. Enjoy your luck and your time machine.

alan1950 · Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 6:41 pm Post subject:

thanks for the response.

But I'm curious, you said that I am fortunate in not dealing with Harvey myself, I take it then that you have?

You ordered a model 10 years ago? Correct?

You have access to his accounts and know that he earned interest on your money?

And you are the one who sued him across the country on an opposite coast?

Did you receive the model from him as another post stated and still you filed suit?

As to the reality of our legal system, that I am familiar with, that system doesn't abuse the process by denying due process to anyone.

If you thought you had a fair case against him you would file suit in California and allow him to respond. You filed in a way that you knew the only outcome would be in your favor. How is that fair?

That is why I said that the diatribe is questionable at best.

TymerC · Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 7:05 pm Post subject:

Alan,

Congradulations on your purchase.....I know Chris was relieved to be rid of something that created nothing but grief and bad memories as you are fortunate to not have gone thru.
I just want to point out one thing you said in your post :
" I don't know what was promised "

Well I'll tell you was was promised....5 to 6 months to finish and deliver...thats what was promised. Unfortunately that was almost 4 years ago and I'm still waiting. This is what he tells everyone , takes your "down payment" then pesters you for the rest till he feels he can't get anymore then moves on to the next mark. I really don't need to repeat anything else since all that is in the posts...all you need to do is go back and read.

I also recommend you read his rebuttel on the "RIPOFF REPORT" he posted....I especially laughed at the part where he says " The model will be shipped to my client next week" ...well that was posted on the 14th and its now the 27th....13 days later and still no model delivered. Way past NEXT WEEK wouldn't you agree? So wheres mine if he has one made for them? Heres the URL if you care to read it :

http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/ripoff237310.htm

So enjoy your model Alan just PLEASE don't send anyone to Harvey to make one...they'll just be in the same boat as the rest of us. Also send me some closeup detailed pics of your model....I'd like to see this "work of art" since all ive ever seen of this model is what Chris and Frankie have shown me. Some of us would love seeing the Tantalus box your friend made too....always love seeing other peoples work.

TimeDaughter · Temporal Mechanic Joined: 13 Apr 2007 Posts: 42

Dear Alan1950
You have made a great many assumptions about me and my interactions with Harvey. I highly encourage you to read the previous posts in total and you may discover the relationship that different forum members have with Harvey.

I am pleased to learn you have experience with the legal system. This makes it easy to point out that Harvey had every opportunity to respond to the action taken against him. He received letters, summons, and all the appropriate notifications. He had ample opportunity to respond, defend himself, and present his side of the story. His rights were in no way violated or compromised. Why should it be the responsibility of the party taking legal action to take it to Harvey's backyard? But that would make no difference to Harvey because legal action has been taken against him in California too. And just to make it easy for him to be there, it was filed not more than 4 miles from his front door. So, hmmm, that sounds fair to me.

See dear Alan1950, Harvey has no intention of keeping his promises. Perhaps he is attempting to build a true working time machine and is going to go back in time and fulfill all orders on time and to the best of his ability. If this is his plan, than all of this won't matter because all this will have never occured in the first place. We can just wait and see.

In answer to your question about his bank accounts; I would find it saddening to look at his banking transactions. It no doubt would reflect deposits made with funds from other hopeful clients. I will admit to assuming he was earning interest on the money. If he is not, than that is a shame because we are talking about at least $15,000. I am being very conservative with this number. To not earn interest on such an amount, or to make another form of investment would be foolish. Those of us waiting for a Harvey model know the money was not used to build the machine promised.

So once again, congratulations friend on having a machine you can enjoy and treasure.

timekeeper · Newbie Joined: 13 Apr 2007 Posts: 12 Location: Colorado

TimeDaughter, Very well said.--Timming VS Quality-- Alan1950, Did you have to wait 5-10 years for a quality piece? I think not!

I was told every 2 weeks mine would be ready "next week". Well it's been a year!

After a year nothing more had been done than a simple base and 1/2 of a curved rail. Yet I was told it would be ready by "Friday", which Friday in which "time zone"? I guess it's a secret. Now I too am on a "paid in full" waiting list.

Reguarding nasty diatribe, The model Harvey sent out to one of his victims was not complete. Ask your friend Harvey how much money he pocketed in insurance on that scam!

I too took Harvey to court, and won judgment and it was 4 miles from his back yard and 1300 miles from my back yard. I have been to court 2 times and he never showed his face! If he was so honest and reputable where was he? His response for why he was not in court was "why bother" He was the one who put a compleation date on the project not me.

So Alan1950 it matters not if it's on the other side of the coast or not. Harvey has had numerous chances to make good on his word. But there are a lot of us who have been scamed by him.

I can assure you, I will do everything in my power to keep anymore people from becoming his victim!

If you have any PROOF that the posts from his victims are not valid I am sure we would all like to see it. We all do have PROOF.

We all wanted the same thing, a model we paid for and could be proud to own. We were all promised that. So do you really think anyone would be writing all these posts if they were not true!

I am sure you enjoy your model, it must be nice.

alan1950 · Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 4:10 am Post subject:

So much to reply to. And I am just trying to sort out the various complaints for my own understanding of the maker of my model. Maybe I can talk to him about the complaints too.

In answering the posts I made no assumptions just responded to the posts as posted. I would like to discover the facts from the fictions posted.

Time Daughter; You never ordered a model from Harvey have you? You are just an echo of other posters. Correct? You have no first hand knowledge of anything you have posted. Your posts are based on what others have told you. Correct?

Timekeeper; You actually did order a model a year ago, paid $??, but did not receive anything. Then sued in California, obtained a judgment, when was that judgment obtained? Assuming that you did obtain a judgment in CA, why have you not pursued it? Or are you? If you take a judgment in lieu of the goods, you are not entitled to the goods anymore. You cannot get both! In the situation you describe, Harvey can't avoid a body attachment after a rule to show cause hearing (I am not a CA lawyer but I think the process is similar to my state.). So instead of complaining on a thread that goes nowhere, why not proceed in CA?

TymerC. You ordered a model too. You have been waiting close to 4 years now and you paid $??. You have not sued Harvey, yet? Correct?

As to the suer who sued on the other coast knowing that Harvey could not defend himself, he or she is not either of you three and has not yet posted here. As you stated this buyer obtained the model (that is he/she accepted the goods as such has no cause of action) and then fooled a local judge into granting a judgment. Now this Buyer has taken his or her out of state judgment to California. Again he or she knows that Harvey cannot defend against the substance of an out of state judgment. So this Buyer is abusing legal process once again.

And all three of you feel that this is fair, because, the one of you who has not sued, is waiting for a model. Okay. Please correct any assumptions I have made.

I would be happy to send pictures of my model and the T-box just email me with a name and email address.

My name is Alan Nelson, I am an attorney in Oak Brook, IL; my email is alan@trottnelson.com.

frankie · Master Temporal Mechanic Joined: 09 Apr 2006 Posts: 96

Hi Alan,Frankie here,
I have spoken to you a few times on your purchase from Chris.I am the one who sued Harvey from Boston.Harvey was given every chance to defend himself.He was sent a Demand letter from my lawyer,an email as well,These were sent two times ,he refused to respond.Then he was sent a summons from the court,again he refused to answer,Then he was served in hand by a constable,again he refused to answer,he was then told of the pending judgement against him,again he refused to answer,the judgemant has now been sent to him by an Attorney,
As far as why did i sue him?Simple i pain him 6,500 dollars for a machine and a box.I received a machine[75% finished )but no box.This was over FOUR years ago.I sued for the amount of the box,lawyers fees and extra damages as Harvy refused to acknowledge.It is very simple,you are trying to see things through Harveys eyes,which i can tell you are very clouded.If there is any other information i can give you,just let me know.Also Mass. and Cali. have a sister state connection on law suites.I am the consumer Harvey is the thief.Why should i have to go to Cal. to get mey moneySeems the Law knows alot more than you do.

TimeDaughter · Temporal Mechanic Joined: 13 Apr 2007 Posts: 42

Dearest Alan1950,
Again, you are attempting to reach answers based on assumptions. I applaud you for being so incredibly trusting of Harvey. I encourage you to place your wallet where your trust lies. Order a model from Harvey. Pay up front, wait month after month, year after year and then we will see if you are still so pro-Harvey. You judge our words from a place of no experience.

As to your questioning my involvement, ah, I wish I was but a mere reader on the forum just looking for a chance to voice an opinion. I do not wish to share more with you as I question your motives. Your support of Harvey is blinded and lacks physical proof. The other forum members here know exactly my relationship to this situation. We are stating these facts about Harvey in the hopes that no more people will send him money with false hopes of receiving a quality model.

I also highly caution you in your support of Harvey even if you are a close friend or relative. He is full of lies, stories and promises. Yes, there is hard physical proof of this. If you are an attorney that deals with such civil issues you may want to concider your reputation before moving forward with this man. Every single statement made on this forum is backed with undisputable physical evidence. If you have spoken with Harvey he may have left that bit of information out.

I have no problem in addressing valid questions or hesitations about the statements being made on this forum. I do however take extreme exception to being called out as an echo or verbal attacker. You do not know me or my relationship to the situation. I have no doubt that I am a person of question for both you and Harvey. Everyone that I wish to know me is totally aware of who I am and what my involvement is in this situation. All of us here are very aware of the fact that Harvey reads this forum on a regular basis and attempts to gain an insight into what steps someone might be taking next to find satisfaction and resolution. He knows his victims and he knows what I say is true and factual.

You dear Alan1950 have never dealt with the countless emails and phone calls with excuse after excuse why your thousands of dollars has not resulted in a product. I sincerely hope you will read the facts you have been presented with and absorb the reality of them.

frankie · Master Temporal Mechanic Joined: 09 Apr 2006 Posts: 96

It just makes me wonder Alan,with your lack of civil law knowledge,if you are really what you say you are?

timekeeper · Newbie Joined: 13 Apr 2007 Posts: 12 Location: Colorado

Alan1950 I will be happy to respond to your questions.
After months of harvey soliiciting my business over the phone and internet I agreed to have him build a model. I paid 1/2 down and balance on completion. Harvey said it was complete and I was to send the other half. After he recieved all the money he said a 'part' broke, and needed to be redone. RIGHT!! Now he gave me the generous offer to make it a working model at no additional cost! What A guy!

Well, now I too am standing in a line of "clients" that have paid in full and not recieved a model.

You please go ahead and "talk" to him about the complants. That will be more than the Judge could do. He won't even show up in court-4 miles is too far for him to travel? He has no problen sneeking into court just before closing to file a request to vacats judgment, and even having the nerve to tell the court he is to poor to pay the filing fee. Shall we all add up our cancelled checks?

You and harvey are quite aware of where my judgment stands. I have never requested goods and the return of my money! There are no "GOODS" so yes I want my money returned.

As far as my not pursuing this matter...Oh I shall...for I too:

"Have all the time in the World" to quote a familiar famous movie line.

We would all love to see your pictures. Why not post them for us all to see. You want each of us identified. Harvey knows who he has done this to and who we are